Hairy hair thread ~

Could I! And Rin(@l_l )took the majority of what I was thinking to say but in much more detail. xD

Big things for me was not washing and conditioning everyday. I don’t have dry hair so I don’t worry about conditioning more. I have heard to condition more than washing before but I only condition when I wash. I slowly started to space it out washing my hair and conditioning my hair. I shower everyday but only wash/condition my hair like one or twice a week now.

Learning that shampoo was for scalp and conditioner was for the not the scalp was a big thing for me. That fact helped a lot with spacing out how long I could not wash my hair. My hair is far less grease when conditioner isn’t applied to my scalp. I’m hair doesn’t ever feel greasy any more. Letting your natural oils in your scalp have time to cook and do what they are there to do is great for your hair.

Letting conditioner sit in your hair for a bit before washing it out is important too. I use to just put it in and wash it out right away. I didn’t learn that for the longest time!

The brushing style from the bottoms up is important too. Helps to reduce tangling and knots from happening.

TL:DR
I just agreed with most things Min(@l_l ) said because I was too slow to formulate my thoughts. XD

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Same energy

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engine revving noises

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i’m not sure if this is a gender perception thing or a cryptid* thing, but i always get the urge to adjust how my hair is around or right after needing to take a photo for identity purposes. this thread helped with a recent touch-up to my hair after a few video calls and attempts at placing airbnb reservations for a trip in may.

*by which i mean, the need for an incongruous representation of self across different areas. i’ve deliberately never made any effort to go back and change things like my LinkedIn picture or my driver’s license photo, a college account photo, or the rare account that needs a face. but i will always get the feeling that i ‘need’ to change up at least my hair once the photo is taken.

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i have long curly hair that i think is verry nice when done properly it tangles when i sleep and i say you saying you can braid while you sleep and braiding would be good for work so my hair dosent act as insulation when i tuck it down my t-shirt for safety reasons
i also want to occasionally braid the sides of my hair and leave the top flowy for the cool look similar to shaved sides

i dont know how to braid my hair tho do you happen to know any good tutorials for various types of braids

also while im here any skincare tips for damaged skin from when i have to shave every day i cant avoid shaving so other helpful tips if u can <3

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It took me couple weeks of braiding my hair every night to get a hang of how to braid my hair. It feels so weird to braid your own hair! I’m weak so my arms get really tired while I’m braiding my hair. xD Here is a tutorial for just normal braids

Many braid Tutorial

For any shaving remember to exfoliate before you shave, use shaving creaming of some kind, and don’t use dull blades.

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I soak in a bubble bath normally before I shave my legs because my thighs are sensitive but not everyone needs that. I exfoliate before and after I shave to help minimize my legs feeling irritated.

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Seconding safety razors, the switch was easy and they’re just better in every way. I’m never using cartridges again.

That sounds very cosy! I didn’t know shaving under water is a thing, might have to try it sometime. I’m a bit of a lanky creature so having something big enough to get bits of me underwater can be a challenge tho.

I used to have all sorts of trouble shaving, really hated it. But a good ol gender crisis kicked me into actually reflecting on how I feel about body hair, just being comfortable with what I like society be damned, and actually learning on how to manage it properly.
The biggest helps were defs learning that exfoliating, this big fancy scary word/process everyone kept throwing around, just means lightly scrubbing your skin with something like a corse brush, and always do that before you shave. Switching to a safety razor helped a bunch too.

Its important to have a healthy attitude towards body hair too. There is a lot of societal pressure to have it a certain way, but try your best to find what makes you happy and comfortable. Maybe performing to your preferred genders expectations is what makes you happy, and that’s okay! As long as you’ve considered it and decided it’s what you like best.
I know some days I like to be a hairy gal, and somes days a smooth boi, and most of the time some blend in the middle. Gaining the self awareness and confidence to know what you want and to do it isn’t always easy, but it’s so worth it in the end. It feels so great to be your authentic self :heart:

Not applicable to everyone, but hormones have made my skin and hair sooo much nicer as well, no one is ever exaggerating when they say that stuff is life saving. Metaphorically and quite literally finally making me comfortable in my own skin.

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Mira(@l_l) and Slow_math are so better at explaining thing then me. xD Yes take both of their advices!

Both of you suggested safety razors, are they really that good? I’m scared of them.

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That sounds so usefull with the ribbon, my hair is the type that will puff out after and point that is holding it so it tangles Up my hands when i last tried and ill finger comb aswell

Ah haveing my arms in that position dosent let the blood through my sholders i will probably have to take breaks aswell

This sounds nice. I dont shave my legs often its always perfect on my calfs and then on my thighs its all uncomfortable and nasty

Ill try expholiateing my face and thighs next time
I will still use my cartrige razor for now.
The shavette scares me less than the saftey razor idk whats up with that thing but i dont like it

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My hair is getting very long for the first time in my life and Im kinda learning my way through it -

but having to brush every day is kinda annoying as fuck, but if I don’t the whole thing tangles up, and it takes hours to undo-it

I’m kinda hoping to learn something from other people, so do you have any hair routine or something?

What do you do to make this chore less of a chore?

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the biggest thing i do for mine, perhaps counterintuitively, is to not tie it up whenever i can. bands, ties, and clips all seem to make mine a lot worse after they come out, so unless i’m going for a run or playing a sport i generally either loosely tie it back or have a hat to hold it if needed.

getting an undercut on the back (which i did a few weeks back) has also helped a lot for clearing out tangles there, but other than just trying to remember to brush it regularly, i think finding good products for your hair type could definitely help? i’m cursed with somewhere between wavy and curly (depending on the length) hair, so it’s been rough. only found a good brush design relatively recently that didn’t make things worse

i guess one thing i’m also guilty of though is just leaving it tangled sometimes when i can’t be bothered. mine gravitates to a texture i’m not too annoyed by if i leave it be for a while, but i do still try to remember to comb through it with my hands to clear up any egregious bits. probably still works since mine is just a bit past the shoulders at the moment (trying to maintain it once it gets longer is what gives me the urge to just chop it off and start over LOL)

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Braiding before sleep helps me a lot. I always keep my hair tied up in someway; ponytail, bun, or clip etc. My hair ties are branded as no tangle ties. I use these Spin Pins to told my hair in a bun. These are really good for no tangle buns. I always brush my hair before putting my hair up. While brushing hair its good section up your from bottom to top. Start brushing at bottom then work your way up your hair. That way tangles don’t buildup on you.

I’ve never had too much problems with tangling. My hair is almost the full length of my back right now.

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i never realized there was a hair thread!

our hair is pretty cursed, it can look great and i get a lot of compliments when it’s at its best, but… most of the times it is not at its best :sweat_smile:

it’s brown, very curly but not binding, and extremely fine - i’ve had it described as “baby hair thickness”

this means that it aggregates into locks that curl in a spiral tube shape that’s super pretty, but it also means that it’s extremely fragile

pretty much any friction will roughen up the strands and break them. i have been to a hairdresser maybe 3 times in the last 10 years, in each visit just cut off the very tips, and still, my hair is shoulder length, and if the curls are stretched or wet, they go down to the height of the breasts at most. the tips just don’t survive long enough to grow longer

and… this is a big improvement from before, it used to break even faster until i learned a number of things that work and don’t work with my hair

another interesting thing is that, much like old telephone cords, the spiral just spontaneously switches chirality in the middle of the lock? i have no idea why it does this, but i think it’s related to how the locks form as they dry, with the segment close to the root developing in one direction, while the tips start developing in the other direction, so they end up meeting midway? no idea if that’s the actual reason though

speaking of which, because it needs well-defined locks to look good, and it needs water to form those locks in the first place, that means that 1) i need to brush it while wet[1] every morning, and 2) once it’s dry, if something messes it up, it will stay messed up until i can wet it and brush it again, which is usually very impractical

this means no hats, no ties, definitely no elastics and even scrunchies actually damage it because it is so fragile, but also: headpats and scritches do mess it up. i love them a bit too much to refuse those, but one way to avoid messing up a curly hair haver’s hair shape is to do behind-the-ear scritches from below the hair, instead of patting or scratching through it!

i also use satin/silky pillow cases, and when i’m in VR i wear a satin/silk hair protector to minimize the damage from friction with the headset, but it still damages it quite a bit

now, i mentioned my hair improved a lot recently, and this has to do with some things i learned about hair structure and what’s in hair products

first is how hair reacts to water and oil

the outer layer of the hair is built from microscopic scales of keratin, shaped in a way where, in the presence of oil they close and hold on to that oil to some pretty extreme levels[2], and if the scales are closed, they also have a much more resilient structure than their natural state with the scales open

so natural hair that’s sturdy is natural hair aggregated with oil. normally our body produces that oil over several days, but since that also accumulates dirt, we’ve grown accustomed to wash it regularly with soap, and this creates a number of issues:

first, most of our shampoos use some pretty aggressive soaps with incredibly high affinity for both oil and water, so when our hair is exposed to those, they rip the scales open as they bind to the oil, which damages the hair. for this reason you’ll see that a lot of shampoos for curly hair use milder soaps, since curly hair also tends to be more fragile in general due to its oval cross-section creating weaker points along the thinner edges

also, curly hair, well, curls, this means that the oil produced in our scalp doesn’t have the easiest time spreading through the strands, since it needs to climb against gravity

the solution is to add oil back, and this is the purpose of a conditioner! (well, originally it was, at least)

so that’s why you don’t want to shampoo after the conditioner, the shampoo takes oils thar may have gotten dirty away, the conditioner adds clean ones back

as you can imagine, our hair being very fragile, i cannot touch it while it is un-oiled, or i will shred it. instead i carefully untangle it before using soap[3], then i apply soap to it and don’t friction it, rinse thoroughly, add oil back, and only then it’s safe to brush it again

however this is not the entire story, because more recently conditioners have been including more and more another ingredient, and by now if the product you’re getting isn’t specialized, it will contain those, and even when it is specialized it still sometimes has those. they are the bane of anyone with even mild curls: waxes/paraffins

if you’ve ever had the misfortune of having to clean up wax from somewhere you probably know that often nothing works well: they’re longer chain molecules, and they aren’t as easy to stick to oil nor water, nor soap. they tend to solidify and the only way to get them moving again is some strong chemistry or heat to melt them out

the draw of using waxes/paraffins in conditioners is that they coat the hair in a solid, impermeable layer for both water and oil, that smells good, and thus it makes your hair look great right after you started using the product - waxes, it turns out, bind to hair really strongly

only a couple problems though: with time that layer will flake irregularly, it will also prevent your hair from getting its oil content replenished when it diffuses out, and your common soaps and shampoos can’t take the coat off. and worse, if you keep using it every day, it builds up - irregularly

at first application the hair looks silky smooth, retakes its shape if messed with, and is shiny. with time, especially with curly hair, it starts becoming brittle, deformed, dry, and its smoothness and gloss go away as well, and there’s not much you can do to refresh it, since just building nore layers doesn’t help with the irregularities

at this point the only option is to use a “clarifying shampoo” i.e., a shampoo so strong it can actually break off these accumulating compounds. but this will damage your hair… and in cases like ours, it will break or even dissolve it

the way we avoid this is… we just don’t use a conditioner, we use oil directly

this can be literally something like food-grade palm tree oil, which works well in the summer where it’s hot enough for it to be liquid – seriously, check out the ingredients in the curly hair section, the “coconut oil” is literally just food-grade palm oil with nothing else added (except a little bit more pricey because hey! this is a cosmetic, not food!)

pure jojoba oil also works very well, but what i use almost every day is a product that combines argan oil, glycerin, and some other surfactants and long-chain alcohols that help with making sure the oil is spread think to every strand

it’s a bit harder to apply since you can just make a lather like you do with a conditioner, you have to manually, with your fingers, spread a small quantity of it on towel-dry hair[4], and then i like to spread what remained on my fingers on a fine comb, that then ensures every strand has its share

of course, you also don’t need to use soap on your hair every day, and you don’t need to add oil to it every day either! i at most add a very tiny bit to the tips only, so that they don’t dry up as quickly. these days i use soap on my hair about once every three days, with adding that extra oil to the tips the day before for extra resistance from the soap

and this is it, the biggest secret to making my hair look good and not break all the time was ditching everything with paraffins/waxes, and switching to oils instead. it took a while initially until all my paraffin-coates hair naturally broke off, but it is considerably softer, more glossy, better defined, still fragile but consistently much less so… everything is much better and i’m finally happy in general with my hair

if you look at those guides on youtube and whanot… it really feels like something incredibly dystopian, people using a ton of products every day because they need to maintain that coat of paraffin up, and then the hair looks good? but in a very expensive and unnatural way, where you have to sculpt it, and then when it dries it bounces back to the exact shape you put it on originally, because it is coated in a thick, almost rigid layer of wax. and using clarifying shampoos regularly because of the aforementioned problems

anw this is already a lot ^^
boop o/


  1. more on how exactly we do this without shredding our hair later ↩︎

  2. a washed human hair mat can be used to remove almost all oil from a water+oil suspension just by passing it through it. there’s at least one company that uses these mats to clean up oil spills in the ocean, and the main impracticality with using them is that they’re so good at gobbling up the oil, they tend to become denser than water and sink to the ocean floor instead of floating where they can be safely retrieved ↩︎

  3. i use a soap bar instead of a liquid shampoo - it’s essentially the same thing as long as you’re careful to get one that is mild enough ↩︎

  4. again, don’t friction the hair to dry it out! just gently pat it, it is stripped of oil, so very fragile at this moment ↩︎

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hmm i should donate i can get a handfull of hair per day

thanks for the info i have been destroying my hair to get the large quantities of rust and dirt out

its also never been as nice as when i just used a 2 in one shampoo and conditioner whitch i dont understand at all

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same! I have very fine straight hair (well past shoulder length at this point), and it’s always reacted great to the 2 in 1’s. I wish I could understand it…

@brocolie do you have any guidance for buying hair oils/condititoners? I feel like I just buy whatever’s marketed at people with straight hair (V & co Straight at the moment), but I have no idea how to find ones that will work for me.

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hair reveal

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(this got me to go check the conditioner i use, never knew about this part of things but luckily seems it’s alright!)

i should actually try out a few different processes for my hair at some point, what i’m currently on works well enough but once it gets longer again it’s gonna be rough…

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so hmmm

i wouldn’t know >< what i do is i just, take a product from the shelf, if the ingredient list is too daunting i put it back, if not, i google what each thing is on my phone =/

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y’all any tips for curly hair? it feels like it constantly wants to return to afro all the time despite having shoulder blade long hair

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