We Learnin' Math

From an outside perspective, math can look pretty scary.

How would you even start to understand something like this? Three words:

Order of Operations (OoO)

No matter how simple or complicated whatever question you're trying to solve is, every solution will, by necessity, follow the order of operations.

Order of operations dictates the priority of each operation in an equation. Regardless of the complexity of the question, you need to resolve each before moving on to the next.

PEMDAS is the mnemonic I learned to keep OoO straight in my head.

P - Parentheses

Any operations contained in-between parentheses MUST be computed before EVERYTHING else (the computations within must also necessarily follow OoO).

Example:
5 * (1 + 2)

If we ignore the parentheses and simply evaluate the expression from left to right, we'd end up with 5 * 1 + 2 = 7. Incorrect.

When we tackle what's within the parentheses first, the expression correctly evaluates like so:

(I am going to use -> as a proxy for saying "plug this in". This is NOT notation used anywhere else, but it's easier for me to type out here.)

5 * (1 + 2) = ?

(1 + 2) = 3 ->
5 * 3 = 15

A massive difference from such a simple mistake. Failure to simplify the contents of parentheses FIRST is likely the singularly most common mistake by those who are starting out. Be careful!

We can also have nested parentheses, like so: (5 + (5 * (5 * 2)))

Looks more complicated, but fret not, as we can use OoO to sort this mess out.

We tackle what's in the first set of parentheses: 5 + (5 * (5 * 2))

Then we realize there's another set of parentheses that takes priority, so we look at the contents contained within the second set: 5 * (5 * 2)

Yet again, we have a set of parenthesis in our equation, so we take a peek at what's inside: 5 * 2

Look at that! No more parentheses! Now we can solve this part, and plug it back into the second, and the second into the first.

(5 + (5 * (5 * 2))) = ?

5 * 2 = 10 ->
5 * (10) = 50 ->
5 + (50) = 55

We have our answer!

E - Exponentials

Exponents are written as much smaller numbers above and to the right of the chunk of the equation they're being applied to. The smaller, raised number represents a repeated multiplication of the base number.

Example:

If we raise 2 to the 3rd power, 2^3, it is the same as multiplying the base (2) by itself 3 times.

2^3 = 2 * 2 * 2 = 8

We can even have exponents apply to entire equations within parentheses like so:
(2 + (2 * 2))^2

This may start to look a bit complicated, but remember - parentheses first, THEN everything else.

First we find the innermost set of parentheses and work out from there to simplify the expression:

(2 + (2 * 2))^2 = ?

(2 * 2) = 4 ->
(2 + 4) = 6 ->
6^2 = 6 * 6 = 36

M/D - Multiplication/Division

The remaining categories are some basic mathematical operations. Multiplication and division are the SAME THING, just in different directions, so neither takes priority over the other. When there is only multiplication and division left, simply evaluate the expression from left to right*.

*(Technically, left to right isn't strictly necessary, but it's a good habit to get into due to how easy it is to lose track of what you've already done in a problem.)

Example:

2/2 + 4 * 3

Multiplication/Division first, so:

2/2 + 4 * 3 = ?

2/2 = 1 AND 4 * 3 = 12 ->
1 + 12 = 13

A/S - Addition/Subtraction
Like multiplication and division, addition and subtraction are the SAME THING, just in different directions, and can be handled in the same step. These should be tackled as the last operation in the current chunk you're trying to solve.

Example:

1 + 2*(4/2) - 3 = ?

4/2 = 2 ->
2 * (2) = 4 ->
1 + 4 - 3 = 2

Order of Operations informs every level of mathematics, no matter how complex the equation you're trying to solve might be, it will ALWAYS obey OoO. This is by FAR most important piece of information you need to be able to do mathematics, everything else is a matter of practice and exposure.

If you can lock OoO down, you can begin to learn any branch of mathematics you want. Just remember to break your problems down and solve them chunk by chunk!

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@Arty_Weathrrd Hopefully this is a nice little jumping off point for ya. Let me know if anything's unclear. I've never written it out this explicitly for anyone else before!

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math thread !!!

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me when the math is mathing

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can we post like what we are currently learning (and struggling to learn) here?

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Please feel free! I only made this because weathrrd mentioned in today's stream she was trying to learn math from scratch.

I'm comfortable with everything up to and including multivariable calculus and differential equations, so if you need help with anything hit me up!

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i am excited to read this! please be patient with me! :star_struck:

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No need to rush. Math is cool as hell and the last thing I'd want is to turn it into a chore or something. The math'll be the same no matter when you decide to tackle it!

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AAAAH stop reminding me i gotta review the entirety of mcr3u[1] and prepare myself for mhf4u[2] and mcv4u[3] in the summer!!

really appreciate the math thread though!! may i ask for math help during the summer potentially?


  1. functions (ontario grade 11 uni prep math) ↩︎

  2. advanced functions, gr12 math ↩︎

  3. calculus and vectors ↩︎

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Go for it! I'll be fairly busy, so I might not get to questions right away, but I will answer em eventually.

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I love maths. I can help out people with maths too. Anything university level or below i should be able to handle. I really wish i had the time to study maths a bit deeper too.

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My brain initially parsed these as abbreviations of the monster hunter games lmao

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i saw mcv and autocorrected it to mvc (marvel vs capcom)

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In the future when I'm much more well off and feeling bored, I would love to formally get a pure math degree just for the love of the game, but that's a long ways out for now.

I honestly can't even picture what a grad student's math research could possibly look like right now. The thought of developing new mathematics hurts my brain.

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If anyone could write any math highschool and below in a ELI5 (explain like im five)

format that would help me, can be multiplication, division. fractions. I can still do a little of that stuff it's just.. My brain manually will do the multiplications in my head. very little multiplication memorized
002-zero-two

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We have a way of representing numbers that we might not necessarily know the value of, called variables. Variables are written as letters in the equations we're trying to solve.

Here:
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a is the numerator, or how many pieces of a whole you "have".

b is the denominator, or how many pieces the whole is broken up into.

c is the quotient, or how many times the denominator can fit into the numerator.

Here:
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The whole is represented by the square. The whole is split into 3 pieces, and we "have" (the shaded areas) 3 pieces. Every* number always fits into itself exactly once, so the quotient is 1, and we get this equation representing the situation:

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This is the mathematical way of saying "if we have all of the pieces of a thing, we have the thing".

*(0 is a very strange thing, and the stated rule doesn't apply to it, as 0/0 is undefined - just don't divide by zero and you'll be fine. The full explanation is so complicated I still don't understand it enough to teach someone else.)

But what if we don't have all of the pieces?
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This leads into decimals and fractional values. The way we write numbers is based on using 1 as our base unit, so everything is related to 1 in some way.

The number 1523's literal representation is:
1 instance of 1,000
5 instances of 100
2 instances of 10
3 instances of 1

Multiplication is just repeated addition!

(The dot notation is much more common than using x to represent multiplication, as x is used as a variable in essentially every algebraic problem you'll do in some form, so a dot in the middle of the line is a way to say "multiply these numbers together" without confusing it for a variable. When dealing with variables multiplied by numbers, it's most commonly done without a dot or x at all, and are simply written next to each other with no space in-between, like 5y + 2x. You can also represent multiplication by having two sets of parentheses next to each other with no spaces.)

Decimals follow the same pattern, oppositely. Instead of multiplying the value by the place value (tens, hundreds, thousands, etc.), you divide the value by its place value (tenths, hundreths, thousandths, etc.)

So the number 1.523 is literally represented as:

1 instance of 1
5 instances of 1/10
2 instances of 1/100
3 instances of 1/1000

So, back to 2/3:

We need to employ long division to figure this problem out, which is a whole process that might be a bit longwinded to explain here with little to no preparation, especially because it can be a bit obtuse to get used to at first, so I'll defer to a video outlining the process.

(The notation in the video got a bit sloppy, so let me clarify something here.

You can't just "make it 20", what he's doing is writing the decimal point and adding an arbitrary amount of zeroes after the decimal place, which is allowed because all that's saying is that there is nothing in those places, writing 0000001 is the same as writing 1, and 1.00000000. You have to be careful, as you can't add zeroes before a place with a specified value. 1.01 is NOT the same as 1.001, just like 101 is not the same as 1001.)

Like all math, any awkwardness with the process is overcome by repetition, so you'll just kind of have to get used to it. This is especially true with memorizing multiplication. There isn't really a shortcut, just do it a bunch and you'll eventually start immediately recognizing the pieces you've done a bajillion times.

I could also go down the rabbit hole of operation properties, but that's best left for its own post as it is a description of the behavior of the operations' interactions inside of an equation. They're important, but understanding the basic mechanics of the computations is more pressing at this stage.

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Also something small that might be worth adding (though I don´t know how to explain stuff very simply but I don´t think it will be too important here) on the topic of fractions. Multiplying fractions like

Math fractions

can be done by multiplying both the numerator and denominator of both fractions so here the result would be 8/15

(Or I guess that´s part of operation properties already when thinking about it, so yeah sorry for that)

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Operation properties would be things like the commutative, associative, and distributive properties which tell you how you can move things around inside of a chunk of an equation.

So, if I had:

a * (b * c)

I could also write it as

b * (a * c)

So we can write,

a * (b * c) = b * (a * c) = c * (b * a)

And it is a true series of statements. This is the associative property.

The distributive property demonstrates that:

a * (b + c)

can also be written as:

(a * b) + (a * c)

The commutative property states that it doesn't matter what order you multiply two numbers together in

a * b = b * a

What you have is an example of the multiplication operator applied to two fractions! You can add, subtract, multiply, and divide fractions, and they have a bunch of their own rules associated with that.

I was avoiding the fraction operations until the structure of fractions was understood, though your calculations are absolutely correct here!

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Oh right, I totally forgot that doing all types of operations with fractals (edit ahh I made a writing error I meant fractions) is its own cup of tea and has important stuff to note and remember! And that what I gave is bascially just a specific case, so much of it is just subconcious for me at this point! (I´m so not built to try explaining stuff since I´ll just forget half of it xD I´ll still try to mention stuff though when I think it fits!)

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E circle denotes the interior of E btw

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